Childhood Memories and Parenting Wisdom

Ever wondered how truly feeling your emotions can be transformative? Join Mary Sanker and me on the Lift One Self podcast as we unravel the deep impact of emotions and the essence of self-care. We begin our journey with grounding techniques through meditation and breathwork, emphasizing the necessity for therapists to help individuals process their emotions profoundly instead of just discussing them. Experience a guided meditation that sets the tone for emotional exploration and the importance of feeling safe in one's body while validating each emotion without judgment.

What if befriending your fear and anger could lead to a healthier mental state? Mary and I delve into the complex relationship between these emotions and our nervous system. Listen to our insights on how fear serves as a protective mechanism and discover techniques like controlled tantrums for anger release and reconnecting with childhood comforts. We explore how intuition, linked with the unknown, inherently involves fear and why embracing this can help you live more authentically and trust yourself better.

Parenting young children can stir intense emotions, but there are ways to manage the overwhelming rage and frustration. I share my own experiences, highlighting the crucial roles of therapy and mentorship, along with practical tools like physical separation and self-reflection. We discuss how childhood experiences shape parenting styles and the importance of processing deep-seated emotions for personal growth. Finally, we invite you to share the valuable insights from our discussion, connect with us on social media, and always remember to be gentle with yourself.
FInd out more about Mary Sanker here:
https://www.beandbeing.com/

Chapters

• 0:00 Exploring Emotions and Self-Care
• 15:43 Navigating Fear and Emotions
• 24:23 Navigating Parental Rage and Self-Care
• 33:26 Sharing Self-Care and Kindness

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

I'm sorry, apparently. I couldn't get my camera to work.

Speaker 2: 0:04

That's all right. How are you, mary? I'm good. How are you? I'm well, I'm well. Monday has been very enjoyable so far. Good yeah, where are you located?

Speaker 1: 0:18

I'm in Ohio.

Speaker 2: 0:19

Okay, yeah, yeah. What about you? I'm in Ottawa, canada Cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about you? I'm in ottawa, canada cool, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're willing to do a guided meditation so we can ground ourselves in our breath, you're gonna do it?

Speaker 1: 0:35

yeah, okay, I don't know. You're asking me to do it and I was like, okay, I can, but I just wasn't prepared.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Yeah, no, I, I. I do it with all the guests because I want it to be where we hear a lot of times meditation, meditation and just do it. I'm inviting the listener and if they don't want to, then they can skip. Yet if they do, then it gives a benefit. It's only like a minute and a half, two minutes. So I'm really implementing that mindful moment, because we talk about a lot of things but we don't model and implement it, and we see how difficult it can be to, you know, just do these things, but we understand the benefit of it. So I just want to really model what I speak and show that lived experience. Is there a specific topic that you would like to play in?

Speaker 1: 1:23

I am definitely open to intuition. My kind of whole thing is that therapists actually don't help people talk about their emotions. Um, and that's where I come in and I really help people understand and emotion certain information and so like we can weave in there. I mean I work with women and couples, we can weave in that. But I mean I work with women and couples, we can weave in that. But I am here for you just to be guided.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Yeah, I was just like I was almost going to be late to this podcast because I was helping somebody to understand what feeling your emotions was and validating it and not, you know, reasoning with them.

Speaker 2: 2:02

Just really feel them and let them be processed out. And then they were like wait a minute, like are you trying to tell me that? Possibly because I never had this before, I don't feel safe in my body. I'm like bingo, that's exactly what it is. And we have to go through the arguing, look at other people, go this and then come into the vulnerability and just feel the emotion, not rationalize, not tell it this or that, just feel it. And some of it is very stinky and uncomfortable and gross. Yet once you keep doing it, then it doesn't signal up. And then there's a more you can be in your intuition, you can trust vulnerability. I just I was like I said I was almost late for this podcast. So this is going to be delightful and that's why I do the podcast the way I do, because then everything is served and we can really get the message out for the people. So it's like, yeah, so this is going to be fun. Mary.

Speaker 1: 2:58

Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 2: 3:01

Okay.

Speaker 3: 3:02

Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break mental health stigmas through conversations. I'm your host, nat Nat, and we dive into topics about trauma and how it impacts the nervous system. Yet we don't just leave you there. We share insights and tools of self-care, meditation and growth that help you be curious about your own biology. Your presence matters. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. Help our community grow. Let's get into this. Oh, and please remember to be kind to yourself.

Speaker 2: 3:38

Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, mary. I am so delighted and excited to get into this conversation with you. Thanks for having me. Will you join me in a meditation so we can ground ourselves in our breath Totally? And for the listeners, as you always hear me say, please do not close your eyes if you are doing any kind of activities that require your visual and also if you're driving. Some of the prompts might get you into a real relaxive state. So just be aware of that, because I always want to make sure that you're safe. Therefore, you can still do the prompts with whatever activity. Just check in to see if you're getting too relaxed and you need to be a little bit more alert with things. You're getting too relaxed and you need to be a little bit more alert with things. So, mary, I'll ask you to get comfortable in your seating and you're going to gently close your eyes and you're going to begin breathing in and out through your nose and you're going to bring your awareness to watching your breath go in and out through your nose.

Speaker 2: 4:47

You're not going to try and control your breath. You're just going to be aware of its rhythm, just staying focused, of watching it go in and out. There may be some sensations or feelings coming up in the body.

Speaker 3: 5:10

Let them come up. You're safe to feel. You're safe to let go. Surrender the need to control, release the need to resist and just be.

Speaker 2: 5:31

Be with your breath, drop into your body, keep your awareness on your breath and drop deeper into your body now, while staying with your breath, mary, I'm going to ask you in your mind, to create an intention you want to bring forth in this conversation, for the listeners, for ourselves.

Speaker 3: 6:19

And when you've created that intention, I'm going to ask you to release it in your mind allowing it to drop down into your nervous system, down your neck, through your throat, down into your chest, filling your heart, filling your lungs, going down into your abdomen, into your stomach, into your life force, still staying with your breath, allowing that intention to surround your energy force. And you're staying with your breath and at your own time and at your own pace. You're going to gently open your eyes while still staying with your breath. How is your heart doing?

Speaker 1: 7:43

good calm and it was um happy.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Can you let the listeners know who Mary is?

Speaker 1: 7:52

Yeah, so I'm Mary. I'm a licensed therapist and um sole mentor. I call myself um a psychological consultant because I um also work as a coach, and so I have my license and I work in the coaching world as well, and I'm going to say that I'm a vibrant mother of two rambunctious toddlers, and I work, I have my own business, and then we homestead on the side, and so I am just a conglomerate of things in the world. Happy Mother's Day. Thank you. How did you celebrate it In the things in the world. Happy Mother's.

Speaker 2: 8:27

Day, thank you. How did you celebrate it?

Speaker 1: 8:28

In the garden in the morning and the day before I actually ran a trail race and then we went up and to visit some family and just had dinner. It was nice.

Speaker 2: 8:41

Can we dive into emotions and what that looks like in therapy and actually what it looks like in your coaching?

Speaker 1: 8:49

Yeah, so I actually think that most therapists forget to have people feel their feelings. And if you follow the history of psychology, right, we went from the it's mind heavy. It's originally, if you go back to I'm talking ancient times, psyche meant soul, right, and so it was the study of the soul. And then now it's more neuroscience. Cognitive behavioral therapy, is a big thing. It's focused on our thoughts, and I've noticed over time that people forget to feel feelings. And then we have a generation of, let's say, millennials, gen z-ers, who are not never taught to feel their emotions. And I would even say more than that right, like the baby boomers didn't feel their emotions, let's be fair.

Speaker 1: 9:39

Um, so the work that I do is actually bringing people not only into their bodies, but to say that, like I teach that emotions are in motion. If we break down the word of it, right, the etymology of the word ease in motion, it's actually energy coursing through your body and we need to allow that to course through our body. And so science will tell us that it's 90 seconds. If you can tolerate that, people can mostly relate to, like the waves of anger, waves of joy, it's 90 seconds. And then after that it is the thoughts. It is the beliefs that keep the emotion alive or not. But first we have to stop right. Stop and tolerate that feeling and ask what else is here, instead of just going and jumping to the patterns of what we thought were there.

Speaker 2: 10:33

And now I know some listeners will be like what is this feeling, my emotions and what does that look like? How do I start even inquiring about this?

Speaker 1: 10:44

It looks like oh. So this is where I can see like I want to. When I say what it looks like I want to actually talk to like a practical thing. So this is where I see mindfulness, or like meditation, yeah, but I mean the act of slowing down in your day, giving yourself a pause, most because emotions are going to actually look different. I might look, I might get sweaty if I'm feeling anxious, but if I'm always just moving about my day, I don't know that that's what's happening. I just so my hands are sweaty. Or someone else might have a lot of, actually have a lot of thoughts and that might be their anxiety, because they're not able to even tap into their body.

Speaker 1: 11:26

So when I say to you, like, start to observe yourself, start to observe how you're being in the world, that's going to cause you to slow down. And really that's where I start people in my therapy and in my coaching business of like I start you with just observing yourself and how you are in the world, because from there it's almost like it's learning a language. It's learning a language of emotions right, it's a. Or learning your preferences, like, oh, I like to wear the color green, but I didn't know that because I only wore yellow. When you slow down, which means like intentional pauses in your day or maybe noticing how the water feels on your hands, anything that's going to change your behaviors is going to allow you to start to name emotions.

Speaker 2: 12:12

I think a lot of times. You know, when people talk about the emotional intelligence, I think there's missing a part of the nervous system, because the nervous system is all of our sensory input and where everything gets stored. Nervous system is all of our sensory input and where everything gets stored, so when people are like, don't live in the past, well, it's very difficult not to live in the past if you haven't been able to face your nervous system and allow those emotional charges of energy that got stuck because you weren't able to feel your authentic emotions in certain experiences. So how do you do that in your work with your clients?

Speaker 1: 12:50

Yeah, so I have a system that I call the SIFT plant growth system. I need to come up with a better name. So ideas welcome, but that's the steps, right. So the SIFTing is what you're talking to of. Let's just that's the observation. Let's even just look what's here right, because nervous system right, it is linked to our past.

Speaker 1: 13:13

So, unfortunately, most of our patterns are formed or maybe fortunately, I don't know from age zero to seven. So that's when you decided what love was to you. Your construct of love happened. Then your construct of how is then your construct of how is it safe or not safe to show up in the world? That happens from zero to seven. So what you just spoke to is, when we have an experience as an adult, our brains are are lazy and they do go back to what happened in the past. And so I I talked to people about in this like sifting stage, about looking at what I like the super highways, maybe there's a lot of on-ramps to certain behavioral patterns and not a lot of off-ramps. So you're, you're unconsciously reacting in a way, right, and this is where people then can get lost in the thoughts. And it's the allowing, the emotion, it's not judging, like, let's say you I'm trying to think of a quick example but like, well, you get, you get a letter in the mail.

Speaker 1: 14:17

There's nothing else except for your name on it, right? Somebody who has received lots of negative mail or maybe something horrible happened, right is going to see that letter and their nervous system is going to get scared or overwhelmed. Someone else might interpret that mail to be like a card, money, something perceived as more positive, right, but it's still just a letter with your name on it. We haven't even opened it. So that's an example of you can.

Speaker 1: 14:46

In that moment you get it, you might start to notice I'm getting sweaty. I'm really getting irritable with my partner. I see that one a lot. We take it out on other people and it's like hey, what's happening here? Oh, my belief system is telling me that, like, this is something bad. Okay, I'm going to let that play out. I'm going to give 90 seconds, I'm going to go step outside, I'm going to hold my. Maybe it wouldn't hold your breath for all 90 seconds, but I'm going to, like, play around with my breath, right, and then I'm going to say, I'm going to ask the question like what else is here? What do I want to believe this is?

Speaker 2: 15:27

Or how do I want to react? How do I want to react when I open this letter and then you literally kind of like trying on clothes, you try on a different expression, and I think what's missing in this part is that society keeps telling us that fear is not healthy and fear is not to be felt and don't feel fear, and there's always this love or fear. You have to pick between the two. Where it's like well, to be human and to have a healthy nervous system, it needs a certain amount of fear. We haven't been able to validate and engage with fear and so then it gets overwhelming and perpetuates and, you know, hijacks our behavior. Can you give us what your definition of fear is and how you walk your clients through that?

Speaker 1: 16:08

I try to make it simple. So, to me, fear is typically unknown. You don't know what's on the other side of that. Now, that can come from a lot of different facets, but it's something that's unknown, and so and I love to play out at many different scenarios when people have fear and I also like to ask them, like how is this fear protecting you?

Speaker 1: 16:31

What is it protecting you from? In the sense of I come from the school of thought that our bodies actually don't do anything. That's not helping our bodies progress, even if it's something that we perceive, as I was going to say, twisted, but maybe that's too far, but like it could be an unhealthy behavior. But you're doing it because it's serving you in some way. We're not designed to do things that are quote unquote wasteful, no, and so that fear is trying to protect you and if we can befriend the fear, then we can change our behavior. And befriend the fear, then we can change our behavior.

Speaker 2: 17:05

That's one of my taglines is befriend fear, befriend anger, so you can actually, you know, accept your human part, because a lot of people are going into spirituality and you can go into that. Yet you are here to experience the human realm and to feel these emotions, feel these sensations and go through the process of your experience, and some of it stinks, some of it is freaking, yucky and it's disgusting. Yet it's always reminding ourselves what is the capacity and really understand what pain is, because, like you said, we can chastise ourselves because of certain coping mechanisms we have created that have become habits and that can be very detrimental to ourselves, and we're taught to get rid of it rather than question well, why is it trying to protect you and face it. It's always about facing. Yet a lot of the things that people are telling you to do is escapism and to run away from it and to paint it something different.

Speaker 2: 18:07

Act like it's not there, where it's like no, face yourself, because your nervous system is an intelligent system that's always trying to protect you and some of the mechanisms that you've created younger or in certain situations, they helped you cope at that point. Yet now it's to mature out of that, and that takes a lot of work to not fall into those patterns because, like you said at the beginning, our brain is lazy, it just just going to follow what has been there and it takes that work to create that programming for yourself, to interrupt those parts and really slow it down. What are some of the tools that you help your clients with with befriending the fear and befriending the anger?

Speaker 1: 18:50

Yeah, one of my favorite tools for anger specific although I wonder if it could work for fear is having a controlled tantrum. So I actually coach people through having a planned controlled tantrum and I always tell people you're most likely going to end up crying, because that's how our nervous system works, but that's really like that. That's the way I find that people can most easily accept anger. Right, because anger just gets such a bad rap in the world. But that's another one that serves a biological purpose, right, and when we, I think, with all of our emotions, when we shove them down like a trash can, like you're trying to put more in it, they're going to like spring back out bigger. So if you can have a practice release of your anger, whether like it's getting on the ground and kicking and screaming or screaming into your arm, then your body learns that it's safe.

Speaker 1: 19:45

And that's what we're doing, right, even with fear is more for fear. It's because I do think there is this like faucet of fear where you just kind of have to rip the bandaid off and do the thing. But within that intensity, what can you do before and what can you do after to take care of yourself? And so typically I'll take people back to their childhood, since that's when these narrow pathways were laid, and say, like, what brought you comfort? Were you a kid who had a blankie? Were you a kid who your mom or dad saying, or your caregiver saying to you, what was the thing that brought you comfort? How do we recreate that in the adult world?

Speaker 2: 20:18

I with my clients. I help them to transform and transmute the fear, because a lot of people are like, okay, well, how do I get connected back into my intuition? And it's like, okay, well, recognize intuition is going to ignite fear because it's allowing curiosity and curiosity goes into the unknown and uncertainty. So now you have to have a different relationship with unknown and uncertainty and have a different relationship with fear, because they think, oh well, healing is going to be, I'm not going to fear anything anymore. And it's like no, if you want intuition, intuition always like. You're like, well, let me take a breath because I don't know what the outcome will be. Yet. That is what living in an authentic and really trusting yourself that you have the capacity for your experiences, and I also go ahead.

Speaker 1: 21:06

It's like an anchor, like when you the image of just like giving somebody something to anchor into because you're right, life is going to continuously throw things at you when we're choosing life. Ironically, life is going to throw things at you that are uncomfortable and hard.

Speaker 2: 21:19

And I do the same with my clients too, with the temper tantrums. It's like okay, so I'm going to ask you and it's going to look really awkward and your biology is going to say no, don't do this. I'm going to ask you to go get a pillow and scream in the pillow. They're like what? I'm not doing this? My brain is telling me this is childish. I'm like okay, did your parent ever allow you to do this? Well, no, Well, of course, your biology is telling you not to do this because you've never experienced and it doesn't feel safe.

Speaker 2: 21:46

And this is where you do your part to recreate and rewire your nervous system, to let out this energy and not analyze it and not belittle it. Just let it have expression, because a lot of time, anger doesn't get its expression. We project it most times and then we do some hijacking of the behavior, because it's like anger is a very intense emotion, as well as fear, and to ride that bad boy it's like what am I going to do? So you need to be able to have a healthy place to offload and express it, and I also suggest mushrooms. They're like break things. I'm like, yeah, like you know, if you're going through grief or if you're like, and we go through different degrees of grief, you need to smash and express it because it doesn't make sense. And anger is not here to allow you to make sense. It's just the expression of the energy and let it come out of your system.

Speaker 1: 22:43

I love that. We lost my father a few years back and that was exactly what we did. We took cold plates and we went outside and we smashed them with baseball bats, we threw them up in the air and swung at them and it was the most healing thing. It was just like we didn't have to make logical sense of it. It was just a release that would need to occur, and I think that's what, unfortunately, most therapists can struggle with is that we want to make logical sense of emotions, and emotions are not logical, but they're powerful and big For me, and what I teach my clients that are parents.

Speaker 2: 23:15

I'm like parenting is the highest spiritual practice you could have to learn about yourself. So you just mentioned that you have some toddlers and I would, if you're willing, to be curious of how has that been in your own personal life? Because, as therapists and as coaches, some of them don't reveal the vulnerability of the work that they're doing in their personal life. You need to relate with somebody so that they can feel vulnerable, that oh, you've actually did some of this work and you can understand what that emotional intelligence or what's going on inside or what the work looks like. Are you willing to reveal what you have discovered about yourself in this journey of motherhood?

Speaker 1: 23:59

Sure, I actually revealed to myself. So our son was a planned pregnancy and then, nine months later, my daughter came bombing into the world, um, into my, into my womb, um, and she, she's magical in many ways and, um, I'm very grateful that she is here, although she, she rocked my world, um, and so I had I. My kids are 18 months apart and I have never felt rage the way I felt after she was born, the demands on me. Even now it's better, now it's. I mean, I've done, that's the work I've done.

Speaker 1: 24:37

I've done like anger, and I have danced and like come face to face and like cried and ugliness and hugged and we're, we're friends now, um, but having two kids, with two demanding like I mean, I had an 18 month old and I had a newborn and I'm the mom and my husband is very supportive and he does what he can, but at the end of the day, it was like I was what was needed and there wasn't enough of me to go around. And then I was a business owner and a therapist, like right, so I have clients who need needs. It was, it was taxing.

Speaker 1: 25:09

So, I had to figure out like cause I can't take it. I wasn't going to take my anger out on my kids, I started to take it out on my husband. That doesn't work, I do not recommend that. And so, like I had to do the work of asking myself like what is here? How can I release this properly? And realizing what happens to my household when I try to pretend that I'm okay when I'm not Right, like chaos that ensues Because my children totally pick up on that, that I'm masking Right, that would be maybe the most common way to say. It is that I'm masking and the disconnect that happens in my marriage when I'm trying to pretend I'm not angry, right and it's not marker dumb, it's not like. I think that's a different emotion. This was just pure inner rage of feeling like there wasn't enough space for me.

Speaker 2: 26:00

You mentioned the grief of your father. When did he transition?

Speaker 1: 26:06

It was. It'll be eight years in October Mentioned the grief of your father.

Speaker 2: 26:10

When did he transition? It was. It'll be eight years in October. So now do you think that some of the parenting unearthed some of that grief and that deep rage, or was it something different?

Speaker 1: 26:22

No, it wasn't that. It was more. It was having to face things that happened in my childhood that, like, I parent very differently from um and I'm not one to say it like this is not the like blame my parents. My parents made their decisions and they made very different parenting choices. I was left alone in the crib to cry it out and my children did not have that experience, and that's not right or wrong. I know that that wasn't what I needed as a child. And so then to have this like remember, we're talking about our neural pathways and our nervous system, right? So my nervous system was like programmed one way and then I'm trying to do it different with my kids, and that fight made me so angry. Right, that was what I was mad about, and it wasn't necessarily like oh, my mom, but it was like I'm trying so hard and this is so hard and I just like couldn't, I didn't, I had to learn how to hold that the difference there.

Speaker 2: 27:21

Yeah, I totally understand that language and it's really again sitting with your feelings, these emotions that you didn't have space with, and finding that safety in your body Cause I wasn't able to have that co-regulation with somebody.

Speaker 2: 27:37

So now somebody's demanding it yet, this young child that had the temper tantrums coming up, and it's like you get away from me because I don't even know how and I've been taught that this emotion is bad, so I'm not allowed to feel this.

Speaker 2: 27:53

So, really doing that warrior work where I think a lot of women aren't, given that language, and I think that that possibly might be in some of that postpartum also that it's like, okay, this rage and anger is coming up and I don't even know how to understand this, like why would I want to harm my child or why would I want to just not be involved with them? Or it's bringing me into some suicidal ideations and I think there's some really deep rooted emotions where a lot of times women haven't had a healthy relationship with rage or anger because we've been told to be that good girl or proper girl and that isn't allowed in society standards or even in the home. So then you have this emotion and this energy that's going on that you start to separate and fragment it yourself. Yet, as I say, parenting is the highest spiritual practice. Boom, here they come and you're like what is this tsunami? What were the tools that you used for yourself?

Speaker 1: 28:54

Yeah, therapy and mentorship was one of them, just like a place where I could just moat and then have someone reflect back to me my reality and my perspective. But the practical tools were for me. I truly did have to run my hands under cold water. I went outside a lot, no matter what the weather was, even as young babies. So my husband's a firefighter, paramedic, so I'm often alone with my children. So even when they were very young, I would look at them I would say, like you are safe, mommy's coming right back, and I would probably step outside for maybe a minute, right, maybe even two minutes. But like I just had to get that physical separation because I didn't want to like explode, right, and so I needed. But I knew I needed to explode and I needed a safer place.

Speaker 1: 29:42

It's like so animalistic of me. It was like I need to go in my cave and explode and then I can come back and be a mom. And then I had to. What actually finally changed it was I had to look myself in the mirror when I was having the rage and I had to say, like what are you doing in this moment? What do you need in this moment? I had like, like you said earlier in this podcast, I had to face myself and for me it was looking myself in the eyes and saying, like, what are you doing? And that was enough for me personally to switch out that like, okay, I'm going to step into my adult self, I'm not going to shame my younger self. That's who's having this tantrum. And right now I'm in the mother role and I need to be here.

Speaker 2: 30:19

I know many of the listeners now are probably like okay, not, not enough. Can I find out where I can find Mary? Because her story is very relatable to mine. So can you let the listeners know where they can find you and what your offerings are right now?

Speaker 1: 30:38

they can find you and what your offerings are right now. Sure, so I have two websites. I have marymartinacom and then beandbeingcom. One is my therapy practice for those who live in New Hampshire, and then beandbeingcom is for everyone else. I'm only on one social media and that's Instagram. You can find me there at Mary M Sanker S A N K? E R. That's there, and right now I work um in the, so I'm doing what I call deep dives. So I have deep dive um coaching sessions and um I have in July I'll probably be close, but, like, I have a group offering coming out, a small group offering um where I'm going to be taking it. Ironically, it's going to be called master, master your mind, but we're going to be dealing with your emotions. That's like the twist Um, and so that'll be coming out late quarter three, early quarter four.

Speaker 2: 31:29

Okay, um, is there anything that you would like to leave the listeners?

Speaker 1: 31:35

What I want you to remember if you remember nothing else from this conversation is that your emotions are going to last 90 seconds. So what can you do for 90 seconds to actually drop into your body? So that's your cue to slow down. Maybe you do run your hands under cold water, Maybe you do step outside, Maybe you squeeze your muscles and release them right, what small thing can you do? And then, after that 90 seconds is over, ask yourself what else is here?

Speaker 2: 32:03

I want to bring you into a reflective question. I want to ask you to bring your awareness right now and to go back to your 18-year-old self. And you have three words to tell your 18 year old self to bring you along to the journey to right now. What would those words be?

Speaker 1: 32:21

First word that comes to mind is patience. Mary grit and go.

Speaker 2: 32:26

Patience, grit and go. Are you willing to share what your intention was at the beginning with the meditation?

Speaker 1: 32:33

It was light and love to bring light to people and to love to people.

Speaker 2: 32:38

And I think being able to reveal your personal story brought that relatability and really seeing that, okay, this is work that has been done in a personal life and so I can see that there is transformation and that somebody will help me along the journey of better understanding myself. This has been a very delightful and playful conversation and I thank you for the work that you're doing and the light that you are offering out to people. It is greatly appreciated in that you've built that bridge of therapy and coaching so that you can blend the two together. So, thank you, mary. Thanks for having me. Please remember to be kind to yourself. Hey, you made it all the way here. I appreciate you and your time. If you found value in this conversation, please share it out. If there was somebody that popped into your mind, take action and share it out with them.

Speaker 3: 33:35

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Speaker 2: 33:47

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Speaker 2: 33:53

One Self, and if you want to inquire about the work that I do and the services that I provide to people, come over on my website. Come into a discovery call LiftOneSelfcom.

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Until next time, please remember to be kind and gentle with yourself. You matter.