Balancing Career and Soul: Dubai's Farah on Mindfulness, Grief, and Global Empathy

Imagine navigating a bustling career in finance while cherishing simple joys like flowers and music. This is the life of our inspiring guest, Farah Flisher, from Dubai. Her story is not just about career shifts but is deeply rooted in human connections and cultural diversity. Farah introduces her book, which delves into the complex, cross-continental dynamics of a mother-daughter relationship, and invites us all to pause and breathe, finding peace in the present moment.

When the world feels heavy, grounding ourselves becomes essential. We tackle the emotional weight of global conflicts, exploring how yoga, workouts, and mindful practices can anchor us amidst chaos. Our conversation highlights the importance of inner work and co-regulation, urging listeners to recognize and detach from their emotional 'hooks.' By sharing personal stories and insights from those who have traversed emotional landscapes, we hope to offer solace and understanding for those grappling with intense feelings.

Grief and joy often coexist in unexpected ways. Contemplating loss, we reflect on finding meaning in tragic events, fostering enduring connections with those we've lost, and the personal growth that follows. Our discussion touches on parenting, self-reflection, and the delicate balance of protecting children while allowing them to learn resilience. To wrap up, we encourage spreading the episode's insights, sparking kindness and understanding in wider circles. You're invited to connect with us on social media and explore the services offered on our website, all while being reminded to treat yourself with gentleness.

Connect with Farah Flisher here:
https://www.farahpress.com/

Chapters

• 0:02 Breaking Mental Health Stigmas Through Conversations
• 7:31 Emotional Healing and Inner Work
• 16:20 Navigating Grief and Finding Joy
• 26:45 Parenting and Self-Reflection Journeys
• 37:21 Spreading Positivity Through Sharing

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

I'm like I just said the Wednesday. I'm like I want the weekend.

Speaker 2: 0:06

Um, okay, that's the great thing when you're not live and you can record and edit and you can let these fumbles and, and just you know, have some playfulness with it. Welcome to the lift oneself podcast, where we break mental health stigmas through conversations. I'm your host, nat Nat, and we dive into topics about trauma and how it impacts the nervous system. Yet we don't just leave you there. We share insights and tools of self-care, meditation and growth that help you be curious about your own biology. Your presence matters. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. Help our community grow. Let's get into this. Oh, and please remember to be kind to yourself. Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast. I'm your host, nat Mat, and today I have a special guest all the way from Dubai, and her name is Farah. Farah, would you be so gracious to let us know who you are, a little bit about what you bring into the world and you know what?

Speaker 1: 1:12

makes you smile? That's a lovely question and it's a wide one. So first of all, thank you for having me on your show. Great to meet you and your listeners. My name is Farah.

Speaker 1: 1:25

As you said, I'm living in Dubai today, which will be in the news for different reasons than what we talk about. I was born in London, I'm a Parsi by faith and I grew up in India, so I have the perspective of a multicultural background, if you like, and having the sort of comfort that I've acquired in being able to straddle different geographies, different cultures, different points of view and accepting that there are differences in our points of view based on our own experiences, our lived experiences, our conditioning, our upbringing and various other sort of factors that come into it. I have been in finance my whole life as a career. I did want to become a doctor when I was much younger. Clearly that is not what was meant to be. So here I am, still in finance.

Speaker 1: 2:22

And what makes me smile? So many things. Beautiful flowers I adore flowers Make me smile. Being with friends feeding them, I love cooking and baking that makes me smile. My children make me smile. Just natural beauty. A sunset would make me smile. So lots of great music, love music. So lots of different things make me smile and it's those little things that bring me a lot of joy, is the simple pleasures that I do enjoy, and I don't know if that's a perspective with age, but I find the smaller things the more real they are. I feel they touch me in a different way. And what do I bring to the world? All of myself? And a book that I've written and I've published and hopefully we'll touch on it, which talks about, I guess, just human relationships. Really, at the heart of it it's about human relationships. It's about loss, it's about how a mother and a daughter relationship unfolds over continents and geographies and the challenges and the joys and the perils of it.

Speaker 2: 3:36

Great. There's a lot that we're going to be able to dive into. Before we do that, would you join me in a mindful moment so that we can ground ourselves in the breath?

Speaker 2: 3:47

I'd be very happy to Thank you For the listeners. As you always hear me say, safety first. So most people listen to a podcast while driving, so please don't close your eyes. Yet the other prompts you're able to follow with whatever you're doing. So Farrah allows you to get comfortable in your seating and, if it's safe for you, please gently close your eyes and you're going to begin breathing in and out through your nose and bringing your awareness to watching your breath go in and out.

Speaker 2: 4:22

You're not going to try and control your breath. You're just going to bring the awareness to watching the rhythm, allowing it to guide you in your body. There may be some sensations or feelings coming up. It's okay, let them surface. You're safe to feel. You're safe to let go. Surrender the need to control, release the need to resist and just be, be with your breath, drop deeper into your body. There may be some thoughts or to-do lists that have come up in your mind, and that's okay. Gently bring your awareness back to your breath, creating space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping deeper into the body and being with the breath. Again, thoughts may have popped up. Bring your awareness back to your breath, beginning again, creating more space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping deeper into the body and being with the breath Now, at your own time and at your own pace. You're going to gently open your eyes while still staying with the breath. How's your heart doing?

Speaker 1: 6:02

Heart's good, it's beating the breath. How's your heart doing?

Speaker 2: 6:05

heart's good beating. So you mentioned you know, um, that you're in finances and that you did want to be a doctor when you were younger. Yet you didn't listen to that tug. Now, where you are, in this awareness, does that tug still pull at you of wanting to be in that medical field and helping others?

Speaker 1: 6:27

I think it wasn't, it was more a question of circumstances. So I did try but because I was born in India, the whole British passport not paying taxes they weren't the grants, it was more of a financial sort of circumstantial situation that I think maybe restreamed me into finance and if I'm still there, you know, 20, 30 years later, maybe that was the path I was meant to go. I don't know if I would have been great as a doctor because I find myself becoming very squeamish around blood and gore, so I'm not quite sure that might've been for me. But helping others does you know that, know that does whether tug, or whether I do it in my day-to-day-to-day try and look after others. Or if a friend's in need I'll make sure I'm there, or whether I bake my cakes and take it in for my colleagues. It's kind of like showing my love and my care in a way. So I think that's part of my nature, but I'm not quite sure. The blood and gore.

Speaker 2: 7:26

So probably worked out for the best yeah, yeah, that's the thing about the body. If you are not curious about the biology and what it is and can release the part of the mind that makes meaning on things and just see the factual part and the reality of it, it can be really challenging to go through and experience and everything else. I want to ask because you're in Dubai right now and we talked about it a little bit before we went live how are you tending to your emotions with the world crises and you're very close to what's going on in Israel and Iran right now? How are you tending to your emotions while holding space for others that may be directly and subjectively impacted by that?

Speaker 1: 8:22

I think just as a general if I'm going through something, so the energy is a little bit heavy.

Speaker 1: 8:27

As we spoke about, I will perhaps tend to retreat and be in my own space and go for yoga classes or go to the gym or go to release the energy, if you like, physically, without engaging in the discussion, the discussions around it, because I I don't feel I am best equipped perhaps to, you know, discuss it with someone who's more directly impacted by it, and yet you're mindful of everyone's feelings around you. So I just try and keep my energy super grounded by doing things that allow me to be aligned in myself, and I find retreating and just engaging in sort of mind-body work for myself works best for me.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Yeah, I know many people may not realize what they're feeling inside is the sense of helplessness, and until you're able to really do your inner work and really engage with that, you see how helplessness sends you in a reactive mode of trying to control or fix. Yet if you're able to be in that space of helplessness, then you can allow it to transcend and and pass through you so that you can get a deeper wisdom. And it sounds like that's the process that you have been engaging in and being aware of.

Speaker 1: 9:48

I think I used to go for counseling quite regularly when I was going through my divorce and I remember she said something to me once that has stayed with me about if you have someone who's got hooks in you, it won't serve you to sort of thrash out or lash out or try and run from it. You have to almost stay still to allow the hooks to come out of you. And I find that sort of wisdom that if I'm in a challenging situation or anything you know, be it work or personal, I will ground myself and center myself and stay still for a minute to make sense of what's going on but also whatever is taking a grip of your emotions, to allow to detach, um, so that it's not so sort of it doesn't cut so deep, if you like beautiful analogy.

Speaker 2: 10:43

You know the hooks. Um. Some may not understand that perspective. I know in a Buddhist sense you'll hear about the hooks and the arrows and better visually understand the torment that goes on inside when you're not really adjusting to reality, that you don't know how to feel your own authentic emotions and that you're still grasping on the outside of you for safety, for soothing, for validation and worth. That those hooks are that. No wait, everything is within myself. Yet it's a journey to reconnect into self and better understand that.

Speaker 1: 11:25

Correct. I think we're maybe conditioned we're brought up that if something troubles us, we seek external comfort or soothing or, as you say, validation. And it's been a journey to get to the point where your instincts might say I want to call someone or I want to do. You know, whatever it is to do to try and make you feel better, but to actually just say no, I just need to sit still with myself to let this pass, just need to sit still with myself to let this pass, to then see what the landscape holds and then take your next best action from there yeah, and I just want to be mindful.

Speaker 2: 12:01

You know Farrah and myself are talking because we've done inner work. When you're at the beginning of this to, like she mentioned, she went through to hold a space with somebody else so that you can feel your emotions. And there's that safety of co-regulation Because a lot of us, when we were young, we weren't able to feel our authentic emotions, so when sadness or anger or fear or frustration came up, we didn't know how to engage, so we suppressed it. Yet when you are in front of somebody else and you're able to feel these big emotions and they're able to be released out of your body, that's where there's the expansion and that you learn that you can create safety in your body. Told them, when they had a certain big emotions, to go to their room or go in a space and deal with it on their own they didn't get that co-regulation that these emotions are healthy and they're safe to feel, uh, and they're not a burden on other people, uh. So I just want to be mindful of that because sometimes some people can take that and then they're not realizing.

Speaker 2: 13:09

Well, some people have used that tool of co-regulation with others so they can better understand themselves Myself, even with you, know all of the experience that I have and the tools. There's still sometimes where I have big emotions and I have to speak with somebody. Yet what they do is listen. They do is listen. They don't try to fix so that I can feel my emotions and not separate from myself when those big emotions or use too much stoicism by creating apathy and numbing myself from the emotions and the sensitivity. So I always just give a little bit more depth, because some of this seems like, oh, we can just do it, and it's like, well, no, there's, there was a journey to get here.

Speaker 2: 13:54

Some people, they don't. Yet you know, when monks and others speak about you know the no mind or stillness, it's like you got to remember they've been meditating in in silence for a long time so they're able to respond in these kinds of ways. When you haven't been able to deal with your biology, it's very overwhelming to start doing that journey inwardly and, you know, connecting back into self. You mentioned also that you wrote a book, so could you let us know the title of the book? And it seems like there's a lot of personal experiences that you've, you know, handed over to others. It's almost like a Kohl's note that if you want to learn certain things, read it through my journey and apply it.

Speaker 1: 14:46

Absolutely, and I think that was part of the reason for writing it. So the book is called Meher and Me. My mother's name was Meher, so it's about my journey with her, but primarily it's sort of paying homage to her. So my mom passed away. She was the victim of a gun crime in the town we grew up in or I grew up in as did she, to be fair and it's about her life.

Speaker 1: 15:11

She was a very unconventional person, sort of born in a small town in northern India and lived her life on her terms and unfortunately was a victim, and very untimely. You know, she was very young and she passed and it was it's sort of again one of those senseless acts that in the moment, at the time, you can't figure out why it's being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that doesn't quite encapsulate you know what it was and it takes a long time for you to get past her passing and the way she went, to not minimize her being, to, just the way she went, but then to bring it back to all of who she was, which I've tried to describe in the book, and then some of the tools I've used to deal with that grief or that journey and it's been many years now, and now I can talk about it you, without the emotional charge, because I've there's that much time and distance, but also that much healing that's gone into the process.

Speaker 2: 16:20

I want to ask did you feel anger in any of this journey? For sure, I mean there's so much.

Speaker 1: 16:30

I think it's back to what you were saying when you feel helpless, when you can't, when you can't explain, when you can't understand, you can't comprehend, so then the rage sort of rises at the senselessness of it, at your impotence of being able to influence any part of it, to not being able to keep her alive, to the system, the justice system, the people who did it.

Speaker 1: 16:54

There's a lot of anger that you have to process, to get through, to get to the point of I don't even know. I don't want to use big words like forgiveness, but you have to get to a point of where you are able to handle it and let it flow, and get to a point of acceptance that maybe this was the way it was meant to be, you know, and it was this brutal or this violent or this sort of um tragic, for a reason beyond one's comprehension at the time and I think you know, sometimes we use the we, we, I understand our mind wants to make meaning of everything, yet sometimes we use the word there was a reason where it's like well, does it have to have a reason?

Speaker 2: 17:42

it's just the as of of the circumstance and we at times don't know how to accept reality for the as is of it. We want to make meaning, to better integrate it in. Yet, you know, senseless murder is like at the beginning of telling you well, there was a reason, you wouldn't have heard any of this stuff like my mother gone and somebody murdered her, like what the freak are you talking about?

Speaker 2: 18:08

and I think sometimes, when we say there has to be a reason, it, that's not what faith is like you can challenge about. This isn't what I wanted and still have the openness of still continuing on in the journey. You know, and I think it's just I I struggle with when we want to make, say that there's a reason for it, that it's like, well, the way that life is.

Speaker 1: 18:34

There's some things that aren't gonna make sense, like you can't make, but I think but I think the word reason perhaps not in the logical sort of sense of it, but maybe more the master plan that we don't know and power back to fate and destiny, which is also linked to faith, right that this was meant to be, for what it was the reality, that it was for a higher purpose, maybe for myself or you know anyone impacted by it or directly linked to it, um, which, again, you know we wouldn't know, we wouldn't understand or comprehend at the time. As you say it makes. No, you know we wouldn't know, we wouldn't understand or comprehend at the time. As you say it makes. No, you know, nobody would have been able to say that and not get a reaction out of me at the time. But I think as time passes, you know, you not appreciate, but you kind of accept that that's the way it was and you sort of move past it without.

Speaker 1: 19:33

I think what loss teaches you. When it's up close and personal, like that is about the appreciation of life or the appreciation of what we have here today, and that it doesn't last very long, and it makes you very, very aware of our interconnectedness but also how transient this all is right. So I think it just gives you a perspective that you can say. But someone who hasn't experienced that level of loss may hear it academically but they will feel it intuitively when they've been through something which I wouldn't wish on anyone. But I just think it's one of those facts of life you experience as you go through life.

Speaker 2: 20:29

I appreciate you allowing me to, because I have a friend that her son was murdered at 19 on her birthday. Uh, therefore, you know, when you hear reason, yet you will, because how I tell people it's like, well, death you cannot control and every death it ripples and it puts an impact on people beyond what we understand. And so the reasoning, as you said, it's not an intellectual, it's a more deeper understanding of you. Are in your limited little story of how you want it to be and you have to let go of that limited story to be in the bigger story of understanding that you're still safe, are spiritual. You'll understand that energy doesn't die, it transforms. In the other side of love. You're able to feel that energy in that presence. It's just not in that small story of the body, am I um wording it in a way?

Speaker 1: 21:23

yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So means what you just said. Um, I was listening to deepak chopra and someone asked him about dying and he said if you can think of a room and the four walls of the room and the roof of the room and there's air inside that room, that's sort of the soul and the body, if you like, and then when you pass away it's like all the walls are down, the roof's gone and the air is free to sort of mingle with the rest of the air all around. It doesn't mean it's gone, it's just not in that container and it's free and all around. And I do believe that. You know. I do believe there's something higher. I do believe you know it means I talk to my mother very regularly. You know loud conversations in the car. You know when I need just to vent and I will say I miss her, but I can feel her presence.

Speaker 2: 22:19

Um, when you know there's something critical or crucial, I do feel her presence come through yeah, I'm going to thank you for the deafness, because now when I hear reasoning I'm going to find somewhere to communicate, because I will communicate the deaf and not being attached and allowing that process to receive.

Speaker 2: 22:43

I do understand that academic reasoning. When people hear it it's like it feels like a real hit that you're invalidating my, the grief, that I'm going through the pain and in that beginning process you don't want to hear any of that Like don't tell me if and especially if you haven't, you know, done the inner work and been attached to self to feel that presence. Yet I thank you for that because now it's giving me a better way to find language that doesn't just hit because, like you said, reason it's not the intellectual, it goes much more profound than that. So holding space for that but I understand that that word makes it that like invalidating someone's emotions where it's like I want to bring that in, that you're, it's not one or the other, it's end in both and much more. So let's go in the profound aspect of it so you don't have to shut yourself off from you know, because once you come into that space you're able to reconnect with joy. And I want to ask you how was that to allow yourself to feel joy to come back in.

Speaker 1: 23:59

I don't know if it was so much of a conscious feeling joy or even a conscious not feeling joy, but when you're in the midst of grief and grief is a journey, right, and it doesn't have to be grief because of death, it could be any kind of grief it's almost like you're shrouded in a sort of a grayness, right, and everything loses color. You know your taste buds. You don't taste, you don't enjoy food. The things that did give you joy before no longer give you joy. Um, and it takes a long while and I wouldn't even be able to put a time and a you know a number on how long it takes.

Speaker 1: 24:41

But I remember the little bits of joy that would come through was baking. I would go into the kitchen. My mom used to love to cook. I loved to cook. I would go into the kitchen and just want to create, not so much that I wanted to eat or feed myself or anyone, it was just the need to be busy with my hands.

Speaker 1: 24:59

And I have been told that the nerve ending in your hands help you process grief.

Speaker 1: 25:04

So whether you garden or paint or knit or stitch or, in my case, bake, it's helping your, your hands are being created and the nerve endings are getting soothed in a way, um and I didn't know this at the time, but that was what I was being called to do and that would you know.

Speaker 1: 25:22

When you smell something baking in the oven, that whiff, that aroma, that would be, that little glimpse of the spirit would lift, and then you'd be back in the mind state, or the mind fog that you were in, and I think it's just the days go on and you carry on, you do your the, as I would call it, bau. You know, I'd still get up, the kids still have to go to school, I would go to work, still put on your lipstick, you put on your suit, so you go through the motions, but it takes a long while to get back to that place of feeling and being connected to life. It's like you're going through the motions but you're not, you know, fully there. Your mind is almost scanning the horizon to see, or looking for a glimpse of the person you've lost is how I would describe it.

Speaker 2: 26:14

You mentioned that you are a parent. I am a parent. Do you have?

Speaker 1: 26:20

a daughter. I have a daughter and I have a son, a grown up.

Speaker 2: 26:24

Okay. So for me, the highest spiritual practice you can have as a parent is learning about yourself. They mirror things to you that you may not want to see or feel, and if you're a warrior, you'll engage in looking into that mirror rather than smashing it or shutting it down. How was the relationship with um, your daughter and your son, and particularly your daughter I don't know if she has reached the age that you were when your mother transitioned- no, she's not that old yet.

Speaker 1: 26:59

She's early 20s. I was in my 30s, um, and I don't even want to jinx my relationship with my kids. But you know, by the grace of God, my relationship with my daughter is great and my son. But my biggest learning came through my son, because we're such I was going to say we're very different personalities but in some ways we're also very, very similar. We're both very analytical, we're both very, you know the brain's ticking all the time. You know the sarcasm as a means of humor and then sometimes, if I've had a long day, there's a complete sense of humor failure, at which point the sarcasm doesn't land.

Speaker 1: 27:39

Well, my daughter and I are more, if you like, emotionally heart connected. We're both sensitive souls. I've like, if you do astrology, I'm an earth sign, but I have a water moon and I'm very my emotional state, which is the moon, which is hidden. People may not get that straight up, but that's the bit that I'm very connected to. Her. She's's a water sign, my son is air, with an earth rising, so that blends with me.

Speaker 1: 28:06

But yeah, my biggest challenge came through my son, or my biggest learnings, if you like, and even today I have to always remember he thinks differently or he responds differently or his timelines are very different. If you've done things like Myers-Briggs, I'm very judgmental. I like getting things done really upfront and don't miss deadlines, whereas he will work to the wire, he'll get it done. But it's just a different style and I have to make peace with it that it'll get done, but I just have to sit on my hands in the meantime. So yeah, it's interesting and you know you learn from them every day. I learn from them every day. But yeah, we're good.

Speaker 2: 28:55

Yeah, yeah. And the reason why I asked is not in the that the relationship would be strayed. In the that the relationship would be um strayed. It's that the relationship with yourself that they bring up, like you said, like having to see that my son does things totally opposite of mine and my analytical or judgment or nervous system wants to pounce and be like just do it. This way, I can't deal with the pain and the oh my gosh, you might make a mistake and you know the overwhelm that happens in a body for a parent that some don't even know how to acknowledge. Yet you are being aware that, wait, this is a human being with its own thoughts and processes and learning how to navigate in life. And I'm not to project my fear and my wants and wills to make myself feel soothed in the safety. So, and that's warrior work to do, because sometimes we're great at it and sometimes we fumble and we, we, we drop.

Speaker 2: 29:53

Yet I think what strengthens relationships between, you know, parent and child is when we can be accountable for our mistakes and acknowledge our stuff that we have done, and not just, oh well, you didn't do it the way, uh, that it was supposed to be. It's like, no, I gotta acknowledge my emotions and my humanness and how this relationship will overwhelm me. So thank you for being transparent and sharing that, because, not you know, that's the the work of a conscious parent also, to recognize our stuff and see that this is a human being, um, that sometimes we just don't comprehend. Yet if we look a lot of times, there's a lot of similarity of our ourselves in there. We just don't want to see it. It's like correct, I don't want to see that, I don't do that. And then when you really look, you're like oh, I do, but it doesn't look kind of the same. Yet in principle it's the same thing. So I think that is the irony.

Speaker 1: 30:57

They call me out on a lot of it, so it's good to have them to check and challenge you as well. And a term I learned while they were at school. One of the teachers said so you have helicopter moms, but you also have lawnmower moms, so the lawnmower mom is going out and sort of mowing down all the weeds before the kids step on the grass. And I think I might have been guilty of that, but I became super conscious because they have to learn from their own mistakes as well and go through the challenges of life, because life is hard, you know, at the best of times and they need to build their own resilience and be able to figure it out, but knowing I'm there for them and I've got their back.

Speaker 2: 31:39

Yeah, yeah, that you know being the lawnmower mom is very understandable. It was protection. You went through deep pain so you don't want your children to go through pain like that. It we protect, not recognizing well pain is a teacher. So if they don't learn from not you know deliberate pain, yet like pain built in it, you learn how to navigate this world.

Speaker 2: 32:06

So I think that's where we have to have the compassion and learn what was the protection and what was the pain and how our nervous system was wired and with the parenting, it's being able to face that fear and allow there to be a trust in yourself and in God, allah, universe, whatever name you call higher source that you know these children were brought forth and they're tethered to that same energy. But we think it's only us, we're the only people can protect and it's you know that's again depth in spirituality that you learn that aspect. I'm mindful of time, so I want to know a reflective question from you. I want to ask you to bring your awareness right now and to bring it back to your 18 year old self, and you have three words to tell yourself to carry you through the journey to right now. What would those words be? To carry you through the journey to right now.

Speaker 1: 33:05

What would those words be? I think have faith, believe in yourself. And you've got this kind of like almost, because my 18 year old self was so riddled with self-doubt, very low self-esteem, I left India, went back to London, you know, didn't belong here, didn't belong there, wanted to be a doctor, ended up in finance. So there was so much self-doubt and just inbuilt criticism, you know, sort of a reel in my head. So it would definitely be about having faith in myself and believing in myself and that it would work out. And just have the faith.

Speaker 2: 33:48

So I know the listeners are like okay enough, nat, nat, can you let us know where we can find Farrah? So could you let the listeners know where they can find you, where they can find the book and any other things that you may have as offerings.

Speaker 1: 34:00

Thank you. The book is available online, so your preferred online retail Amazon or Barnes and Noble. It's called Mehera and Me I have a website which is farapresscom, and I'm on Instagram at farapress, so I'd love for your listeners to come and join the journey and share their thoughts and feedback on the book and engaging with them and interacting with them.

Speaker 2: 34:27

Is there anything that you would like to leave the listeners?

Speaker 1: 34:31

So one quote that I read actually recently it's a book I've read but I saw the quote again and it really sort of resonates because of what's going on in the world but also to the journey I've been on, and it's by Arundhati Roy, who wrote the book called the Ministry of Atmos Happenance. And there's a quote that says there seems to be no hope. But pretending to be hopeful is the only grace we have, and that kind of I love because it's you have to believe it's going to get better. You have to believe there's hope. You have to dream, you have to envision a different reality to wherever you're at if it's not one you want to be in. And hope really is the grace that will see you through Beautifully said.

Speaker 2: 35:23

Thank you for that quote, thank you for this energetic conversation that was very transparent and honest and I learned a lot in this conversation. So I thank you for that knowledge and wisdom for me to reflect even deeper of how to hold space and communicate in a more depth with grief and emotions, and how we hold space for others and how words can impact us. Yet it's taking a moment to go further, deeper and for the listeners, at any point in this conversation, if something opened up where you felt there was an aha or there was a glimmer, or it felt like, oh, this is my story, reach out to Farrah, go on her Instagram, go on her webpage, send her an email. All her information will be in the show notes and also, you know, get the book. And when you get the book, leave a review. Those reviews are golden nuggets for others to come into the journey, to see what is possible with grief and what the power of choice is.

Speaker 2: 36:32

Because once you start understanding grief and you understand your emotions, you understand there's a choice you can make and how you're going to show up. Is it easy? No, yet it is simple. Yet it's not easy to apply Yet when you choose how you want to show up, it makes the world the difference of how alive you're going to feel in your every day. So thank you, farrah, for doing the alchemy in your life, taking those impurities and turning them into gold. Yet not just keeping that goal for yourself you're sharing it with others. So thank you so much for all that you do and you create in the world. It's appreciated.

Speaker 1: 37:09

Thank you so much for having me on the show. It's been really a pleasure talking to you Please remember to be kind to yourself.

Speaker 2: 37:16

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