Bridge the Divide: Healing in Polarized Times

Ever wondered what it’s like to transform life’s challenges into a mission for empowerment? Meet Elizabeth Cush, or Biz, a licensed therapist and life coach who started her impactful career later in life, proving that fulfillment knows no age limit. Through her personal stories and experiences, Biz sheds light on the persistent issue of ageism, especially for women, and shares how mindfulness and self-awareness can break down barriers within our own nervous systems. Prepare to gain valuable insights into how embracing new opportunities can lead to meaningful growth, no matter where you are on your journey.

Elizabeth’s journey doesn’t stop at personal growth; she turns past traumas into powerful motivators for her mission to empower women. With a decade of experience as a crisis counselor, Biz dives into the roots of anxiety and how societal pressures can weigh heavily on our emotions. Amidst political uncertainties and trying times, she advocates for the recognition and validation of our feelings while maintaining joy and gratitude. Discover how building a supportive community can lead to collective well-being, providing a sanctuary where emotions can be processed and healed.

In a world often divided by belief systems, Biz highlights how these complexities can hinder genuine human connection. Listen as she explores emotional resilience and self-care practices, emphasizing the vital role of community support. From Internal Family Systems therapy to meditation groups, Biz reminds us of the importance of creating safe spaces for processing emotions and healing. Her personal stories of courage in the face of fear serve as a beacon of hope, encouraging us all to remain present and connected during life’s most challenging moments. Join us for a conversation that underscores the power of vulnerability and the strength found in reaching out to others.

Connect with Elizabeth aka Biz here:
https://elizabethcushcoaching.com/

Chapters

• 0:00 Breaking Mental Health Stigmas Through Conversations
• 9:09 Navigating Trauma and Empowering Women
• 20:26 Navigating Emotional Resilience Through Self-Care
• 31:21 Navigating Life's Challenges With Courage

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break mental health stigmas through conversations. I'm your host, nat Nat, and we dive into topics about trauma and how it impacts the nervous system. Yet we don't just leave you there. We share insights and tools of self-care, meditation and growth that help you be curious about your own biology. Your presence matters. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. Help our community grow. Let's get into this. Oh, and please remember to be kind to yourself. Welcome to the Lift when Self podcast. I'm your host, nat Nat, and today I have a lovely guest named Elizabeth Cush, better known as Biz. So, biz, could you let the listeners know a little bit about yourself and who you are, and why the name Biz?

Speaker 2: 0:54

Good questions, yeah. So yes, I am Biz or Elizabeth Cush. I am a licensed therapist in the United States, both in Maryland and Delaware. That's where I'm licensed to practice therapy, but I'm also a life coach for highly sensitive women, and I came about this work later in life. I didn't graduate college in my twenties and went back in my forties and then got my master's degree. I think I graduated with my master's in counseling psychology at like 53 and have now been in private practice both with therapy and coaching for about 10 years. So yeah, I'm a late life bloomer, but I've done a lot of other things that led up to this. I have three grown children, I have a dachshund who loves me to death but also makes me crazy, and I'm married and have been married for almost 39 years.

Speaker 1: 1:58

So there you go, that's me me, um, thank you for you know blessing us with the listeners to see that there's no such thing as it's too late.

Speaker 1: 2:12

And, yeah, really understand the warrior work to allow yourself to learn new things and to really access that fulfillment within yourself, no matter what the world wants to put in place on people, especially women, because ageism is such a heavy topic that blocks a lot of women from you know, finding what would fulfill them and seek new things. So I'm looking forward to this conversation because it gives the listeners and other people a space of a lived experience, not just theory and telling people something.

Speaker 1: 2:52

You're talking from lived experience so you're able to give them the verbiage about you know, the inner struggles or the discovery, or the curiosity and you know, what's possible and the tools needed, because you know when you're activating and you're what's possible and the tools needed, because you know when you're activating and you're going into new things, our nervous system will create barriers of protection and it's like, okay, how do you disarm all of that? So, before we get into that, would you be willing to join me in a mindful moment? I would love to.

Speaker 2: 3:22

I love that. This is how you start the conversations too, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:27

I started this because you know we tell people to meditate, yet when are we actually inviting it in our lived experience? So I really want to invite listeners to, even if they only do this mindful moment in the podcast, at least they're accessing these tools to see the benefit of, you know, grounding ourselves in our breath. And for the listeners, as you always hear my spiel, if you're driving or need your visual, please don't close your eyes. Safety first, yet the other prompts you're able to follow through. So, biz, I'll ask you to get comfortable in your seat and, if it's safe to do so, you're going to gently close your eyes and you're going to begin breathing in and out through your nose and you're going to bring your awareness to watching your breath go in and out. You're not going to try and control your breath, you're just going to let it guide you into your body.

Speaker 1: 4:28

There may be some sensations or feelings coming up, and that's okay. Let them come up. You're safe to feel. You're safe to let go, surrender the need to control, release the need to resist and just be. Be with your breath, drop deeper into your body, just be. There's probably some thoughts or to-do lists that may have popped up in your mind, and that's okay. Gently bring your awareness back to your breath, creating space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping deeper into your body, allowing yourself to just be with the breath. Again, more thoughts may have popped up. Gently bring your awareness to your breath, beginning again, creating even more space between the awareness and the thoughts and dropping even deeper into the body, just being with the breath Now, at your own time and at your own pace. You're going to gently open your eyes while staying with your breath.

Speaker 2: 6:05

How's your heart doing Going? Really feels very soft right now and I noticed during that brief meditation that I was really nervous, like I felt like butterflies in my stomach which I really hadn't um been really fully present with before. We paused and sat with that. So, yeah, it was kind of nice to just pay attention to that and say, oh, all right, that's there and uh, you know, I do get nervous sometimes, so it makes sense.

Speaker 1: 6:40

Exactly, it's public speaking and that's you. You know, the whole work is inviting the fear and a listening, and listening to what the body is trying to communicate, rather than numb ourselves or separate from ourselves and or create a narration that that's not the way you should be feeling exactly, exactly, yeah, and you know I am a medit.

Speaker 2: 7:04

But it took me some time to really get to that place where, like, whatever was arising was okay, like that it didn't necessarily all have to feel good and joyous, but it was okay that those other feelings were there and to appreciate them too there and to appreciate them too.

Speaker 1: 7:28

Yeah, you know, that's the whole with the W, so that you can understand, not just doing a la carte with what you want to feel and just feeling the comfortable. It's allowing everything to come up because it's data, it's information, yet it doesn't mean that you have to identify with it. I give a visual for those emotions, of it being a guidance and data. It's like a GPS. The GPS will give you a route, yet it doesn't mean that you're etched in stone, that you have to follow only that route. If you know another possibility, you can try it. And if you know you go off course, that GPS will be like oh wait, wait, we found another way, course correct If you want to. Or you could still do your way, and it might keep saying course correct, course correct. Yet you get to the destination that the GPS wasn't aware of.

Speaker 1: 8:12

So it's really engaging with trusting yourself. I think you know, in a society that tells you you're not good enough, you don't have this yet you don't have that yet it separates you from trusting and allowing life to be messy. So, as you said in your introduction, you were a late bloomer of coming into a space, of providing a safe space for others to engage with their inner world. Can you allow us to know what prompted you to jump into this space and you know what it took within yourself to do that warrior work?

Speaker 2: 8:54

So I had always wanted to go back to school. Didn't really know what for, but I think the reasoning behind it was that I felt like I was supposed to have been a college graduate. Not that I had this passion. But then I had my first child when I was 28, and soon a second child after that, 17 months later, and then my youngest was born about seven years after that. But during that process of child rearing I realized that there were ways in which I was raised. Things you know don't feel your feelings, don't create conflict, don't deal with trauma. If you've experienced it, don't talk about it, don't share it, don't write like those messages and ways of of raising children I didn't want to repeat.

Speaker 2: 9:46

So I really bought some books on child psychology and then realized that was really a passion for me, that that just bloomed this part of me that wanted to idea that I was going to be a child psychologist, and I realized that that was just too triggering for me, that that was not a space where I could really truly be my best helping self. And so, as I continued with school, you know, sort of refined that into really helping trauma survivors and really diving into that work. So I worked for about 10 years at a local hospital with domestic violence victims, sexual assault victims, people who had experienced elder care, child abuse also, and so that role as a crisis counselor really shaped also the work that I wanted to do more in depth. So I was seeing people in the moment of crisis, but I really wanted to be able to go with them on their journey to help them heal, and so that prompted me to get my master's in counseling and go from there get my master's in counseling and go from there.

Speaker 1: 11:08

You mentioned in your website that you're here to empower women and show them a different way. What created that evolution? Was it that 10 years of dealing with trauma that you really saw the part where you know there's not a lot of tools or a space for women to really be themselves? There's all these narrations and belief systems that are placed on them.

Speaker 2: 11:30

Well, I, yes.

Speaker 2: 11:31

So, working in that environment, especially with domestic violence and sexual assault, just realizing how much one is put on us culturally, societally, from the moment we're born, also what family puts on us, and it felt really important to normalize, but also to acknowledge, like all of these components, all the things that are happening throughout your life are impacting you today, right, as a woman, and if we can release some of those burdens one, those that aren't ours, but also like the traumas, helping us heal from those, it just, I think, what I, when I began my private practice as a therapist, I specialized well, I still do, but specialize in anxiety, because I was such an anxious child because of what I had experienced, which was unresolved trauma, right, and so I just wanted to really let other women know, one, that they were not alone, and two, that the anxiety wasn't just who they were, as you said before, like, instead of identifying with it, to be able to acknowledge it, feel what's beneath it, right, like so much of the time, anxiety is so all-encompassing, especially if it's really acute, where maybe you're having a panic attack or some social anxiety.

Speaker 2: 13:05

If we can just feel deeper to better understand what's beneath that oftentimes it's fear. Right, I'm afraid, I'm scared, I don't feel safe. But those are hard to feel, especially if you have experienced some sort of either attachment trauma or big T trauma, as they call it. You know, those feelings often aren't given any value or allowed to surface, and so it just ends up just being all stuck inside. And so I just wanted to normalize for women that one healing was possible, was possible, but two there may be outside things that are coming together that created this anxiety.

Speaker 1: 13:51

that's not just you so you mentioned that you are in the us and just had an election on tuesday. We're recording right now.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1: 14:03

Yeah. So there's a lot of anxiety in the air because, as I mentioned this, my nervous system is just signaling ramping. Yet I think it's important to hold this conversation to empower the women and validate the anxiety and fear because it's justified of the uncertainty and the unknown and the patriarch and the power struggles that are there. What do you think and how are you going to contribute to hold the space for women with this anxiety, the rage, the anger, the shutdown you know all the different plethora of where the nervous system brings us when it's activated. What is the space that you want to provide for women, to empower them to feel what their emotions and what the fear is signaling, yet being able to access, to show up in present time?

Speaker 2: 15:08

Yeah, well, it's something that I'm having to do myself, right, I can say honestly that it's challenging right now. It's going to continue to be challenging and what I've been reminding my clients of today is that, although there is so much uncertainty, that what we can be present with today, whether it is feeling shut down or distress, or acute sadness or rage, life continues right, we still have to live. We still have to. I feel like there's this part of me that just wants to say we can't let them and I don't mean to create otherness, but we can't let the situation take away our joy, take away our gratefulness, our gratitude, our pleasure, our mindful moments in nature or with other people and there are others out there.

Speaker 2: 16:14

There is community to be had, or found, if you need it, and I do believe, not that we have to be happy all the time, but if we can work on our internal energetic experience being balanced or as balanced as we can be in the moment, coming back to balance when we're not, that that does radiate out into the world, that that is important for the collective. Important for the collective. And do we know what's going to happen? No, do we have some idea of what's going to happen? Yes, because he was in power four years ago. So there's some justification to all of it too. You are allowed to feel whatever it is you're feeling, and you know you don't have to hurry up with that, that you can take your time to move through the distress in whatever ways that support you.

Speaker 1: 17:13

Yeah, I think it's really important to remind people not to bypass.

Speaker 2: 17:19

Right.

Speaker 1: 17:20

Slow it down and feel, yet still show up with the joy, as it takes a lot of courage to show up with life when there's so much uncertainty and there's the threat of pain, the threat of loss, the threat of being oppressed, yeah, the threat of going backwards, yes, yeah, yet the courage to still show up with what's present right now. And I think what's present right now and I think what's really important for myself is to remind myself you know God, allah, universe, whatever name you call that spiritual that guides your life force, it's always signaling to you. Yet if you're not present in your body, you're not able to answer that call, you're not able to listen to that guidance, you're not able to be open to hear that networking of seeing somebody that you may have not seen because you were so stuck in your head that you could intuitively, use your nervous system to feel those frequencies, because our nervous systems communicate way more than when we speak our languages or we use our thoughts of trying to do Jedi tricks.

Speaker 1: 18:34

It's like that intuition, that openness, that connection and that safety. So I think you know you said it so beautifully like take your time, yet also remember to show up with the joy that's our work, and it's especially when there's grief.

Speaker 2: 18:52

Yes, yes, yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, oh, so much grief, so much grief, and I don't ever, ever want to minimize that. And and and we can hold both right yes, we can hold both. And if we allow others, the system, whatever it is, to take away those moments of joy, it just takes so much away from our life. You know, I just feel like we're entitled to feel it all, yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:21

Yeah, and it's end in both and more. Not the black and white, it's let's invite people outside of that black and white. And you, you know the judgmental and analytical part of our mind is protection of the nervous system. So learn to surrender those parts so that you can see what's possible and be present right now, even though your mind is creating all these scenarios of what ifs and what can and what has. It's like be present with what's here right now. And you know we were already bombarded with the things of the world that are going on constantly, and I just read something about Afghanistan and the women, and that went backwards too. So it's like who? Women? You know, we've there's been a narration from the beginning of time that women had to fight just to have an existence in under the support of the patriarch in a man's world.

Speaker 1: 20:19

Yet it's like not taking this to feed in to that system. Being that energetic life force of connecting that way, where you know a lot of the medical system or scientific will say I don't think that exists yet, when we really, you know, combine our forces in there, there's things that happen that cannot be explained. Yet it's that we joined in that life force and really got to dissolve our belief systems, like all these things that are happening. And when you say they, it's really they, the belief systems, the ideology.

Speaker 2: 20:59

The ideology, yes, fear, that's just fueling it.

Speaker 1: 21:03

So it's remembering when you see a person in front of you, those belief systems are going to make you not want to see the human. Oh, I know, and that's how you work to see a human and it's like so difficult because you're justified Like everybody wants to be. Donald Trump angry.

Speaker 2: 21:19

Oh, we are so othered, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:22

Like the collective of what he's representing with belief systems, representing with belief systems. So you know, I just wanted to bring this forth so that women can feel, have permission to feel and feel safe to feel, yet also be able to show up with life. That, like you said, the end in both.

Speaker 2: 21:43

Yes yes. And and and. Well, I would say the thing that got me through yesterday was connecting with the women in my life, right To reach out, like how are you doing, you know, just expressing the grief, the loss, the frustration, the anger, but also to be like I'm here and you're here, like we're still here here, like we're still here, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's um, you know it.

Speaker 1: 22:15

It feels a little bit like history's repeating itself oh so much, so much, and create as patterns and we think, oh, no, it won't. And it's like history does repeat itself and it evolutions and patterns. When you really know psychology and you know the spiraling and the circles that you're like, this seems familiar and it's like, yeah, you're just at a different point, but that's, you know the way these patterns of human evolution go on. You know, the movie handsmaid's tale almost feels like a foretelling of what you know. It doesn't feel like, no, no, no, this couldn't happen yet. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 22:49

Right, you were like wait a minute yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:53

Yeah, well, I was sharing.

Speaker 2: 22:55

I was sharing with a client today, like you know, looking backward at history, that beginning of World War II, there were politicians and people in the US that were backing Hitler right, that they were believing that we have to keep our cultures clean and free from the others right and like. That's hard to imagine today. And yet here we are creating the same dialogue of here's, these groups of people that we deem unworthy or unfit or less than, and it's the same and feels as terrible as that did. I mean, I wasn't alive then, but, yes, reading about it.

Speaker 1: 23:41

You know how I see it, nervous systems create nervous systems. So the knowing that we usually have, or the deja vus, or we enter a space and it's like I've been here before. Those energetic charges get passed on. So, as people say, generation curses. But there's generation knowledge also that gets passed on so that you can remember what the history felt like, you can remember what's possible also so that you can access that ancestral energy charges and be able to understand it. Because I know some people might be like no, no, it's just this life and that's it. Yet if you really look at the miracle of how a body is created by two like liquid energies that have to be looked under a microscope to see how it's moving, and then it creates a pancreas and liver and all that, and you think just minimally. There's not something more connected that has an energy field of knowledge and information that we can pass on in the generations and everything else.

Speaker 2: 24:44

Oh, totally, and it gets passed on through our genes, which they're finding out now scientifically, like it's actually there in our system and yeah, yeah, it's amazing, yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:56

How are you taking care of yourself? As you mentioned, you know you're having to apply the tools for yourself to be able to hold space for your clients. Are you willing to share how you are caring for yourself in this activation?

Speaker 2: 25:14

Yeah, absolutely. Well, yesterday was really hard. So yesterday was when we heard the actual results of the at least for myself of the election and, and I was home. My husband was traveling, so I was here by myself with my dog and what I want, like my first instinct, was like I'm canceling everything, I'm just going to stay home in my little cocoon and I'm just going to be here and be safe and know that I'm safe and just be in it. Just be in it.

Speaker 2: 25:51

And I realized that well, so, fortunately, I had a therapist, my own personal therapy session, scheduled first thing yesterday morning, and my therapist uses IFS, internal family systems, and so she, she was so great, she just sat with me while I you know, we're virtual, but I just mapped all my parts right. So all the feelings that were coming up, I had this little chart of like there's the anger and here's the part that wants to hide, here's the part that wants to cry and here's the part that you know, wants just to, to, to pretend like nothing has happened and move on, and the parts that want to, you know, protect me. And so that really helped balance my nervous system right To just honor all that that was coming up and I had had a meditation group. I have a meditation group that also meets on Wednesdays and it's a relatively new experience for me. I'm new to this area where I live in Delaware, and I wasn't sure how safe it was going to be emotionally for me and I decided to go anyway. I was like, you know, if it's not safe, I can leave. If I don't feel safe, if the energy doesn't feel safe, I can leave. And what if it's supportive? What if it's what I need right now, right To be with others who are feeling the same things? And it ended up being that, you know, it was really lovely and we spent an hour and a half together, a little bit of time outside grounding, but just sharing the collective experience and the grief and the frustration. So that was really lovely and I'm so glad I didn't just tide. So there's that.

Speaker 2: 27:41

But the rest of the day I took off. I stayed home, I took care of myself, I walked my dog, I took a walk on the beach. I'm fortunate enough to live near the ocean and so I took a walk by, took care of myself, I walked my dog, I took a walk on the beach I'm fortunate enough to live near the ocean and so I took a walk by myself on the beach and that was really helpful. So it's just for me I have to take care of myself, right? I have to lean into. What do I need, even while I'm helping others.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Because, if I'm not caring for myself. I'm not much good at helping others take care of themselves too. I'm a relatively new practitioner of Reiki, so I've been working with that with a group too, so that's been really helpful. But I meditate daily and that's just such a great resource to just be with myself and know that I can create safety within.

Speaker 2: 28:38

Journaling helps sometimes, sometimes not so much. Sometimes it just leads me to focus more on the worry than what's possible. But I also got a. I'm on an email list for therapists that use meditation and mindfulness in their work, and they were just somebody sent an article with I guess it was mostly Buddhists, but just their commentary on what's happening in the world and what we're feeling and how to move forward, or how they're seeing they're going to move forward, and it just felt like there was possibility. I guess you know not that it was necessarily like oh, everything is going to be fine, but it's like if we can basically like what you said, if we can keep our energy clean, if we can be grounded, if we can be in tune with how we're feeling, that's going to radiate out into the world.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Yeah, I want to remind the listeners and myself as I say this there will be discomfort. I know our nervous system doesn't like to hear that. We want it. Just, you know kumbaya utopia and it's like there is going to be discomfort and, as we know, with humans, the resilience is reminding ourselves that we have the capacity to navigate through the pain. Pain wants to shut us down, yet if we have a better relationship with the pain, then we don't get stuck in the suffering of rejecting reality, because if you're in the reality, then you can find the tools to better build a better future. Yet if you're rejecting the reality, you will create suffering and you will not know how to come out of the maze or hear.

Speaker 1: 30:29

You know the inner direction of what are those tools or what is the connection that we create a different pathway so I just want to not create this stoicism that we're not supposed to have emotions and also not be all invulnerability that we're like shut down. It's integrating the both of them and not being so much an apathy that you feel that you can't access your emotions to be able to move forward. It's actually by feeling the emotions that we will create that change in there, and I think it's important for us to create more community with safe spaces so that we can release these charges to remind ourselves presently what's going on right here, because a dysregulated nervous system is going to throw all kinds of scenarios that are not fun. So I label it as dress rehearsal for tragedy. That hasn't happened yet. Yeah, you don't want to do the dress rehearsal for tragedy. That hasn't happened yet. Yeah, you don't want to do the dress rehearsal, you just want to be present right now and not create a double whammy of a situation. Right, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 31:37

Totally, totally. Because if we're anticipating the tragedy, the distress, the unknown, right, if we're trying to predict what might happen or what will happen, we're living in that distress now when it hasn't actually happened, right. And so if we can be more present, not to say there won't be distress down the road and you're going to feel it but yeah. But if we can enter it at a place where we're more able to handle it all that much better, right, where we can pull on the resources we have inside, yeah and the reason why I'm explaining this is because I've been supporting my friend with pancreatic cancer.

Speaker 1: 32:20

She was diagnosed in march of 2023 and she was told she only had three months to live, and she's still here. Uh. October 7th, though, she had a medical crisis in the er and became non-responsive in dnr conversations. Yet she came back online, and so the mind will be in the grief of, oh, she's gonna die, yet it takes the courage to show up with the living and to be in that vulnerability.

Speaker 1: 32:47

Still. Draw her in that, although you're going to disturb my mind if you do transition before me, yet I'm not going to shut down this overwhelm. I'm going to actually lean into it to really feel the fragility of life and know that there may be discomfort, yet there's that capacity, and this is what it is to experience your humanness. Yeah, yeah, so, um. So, when I'm speaking this and people might feel like I might be dismissing their experience, I just want to let you know. You know I'm walking through a lived experience of what that can feel like, and I'm sure there's other listeners that can share that um, same sense of courage it takes to show up in that. Uh. So this part is another, bigger part of the collective, of that courage to show up even though, despite you, know that there might be something that's coming around the corner uh, yeah, yeah now I want to ask you, uh, a reflective question.

Speaker 1: 33:51

Okay, I want to ask you to go back to your 18 year old self and you have three words to tell your 18 year old self to carry you to the journey of now. What would those three words be?

Speaker 2: 34:06

I have words, but the first that came to mind were it will get better, um. The second two were trust yourself. Yeah, yeah, um, yeah. I look back at my 18 year old self and and uh, with so much compassion and but it wasn't easy. Being in high school Wasn't easy for me. College wasn't easy for me, um. So I think, yeah, just it'll get better and you will learn to trust yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:47

Now. Can you let the listeners know where they can find you Biz.

Speaker 2: 34:51

And mom didn't really want to use any of the traditional nicknames and so my grandmother knew an Elizabeth who was called Biz, and so that was, that was the name I was given from. Yeah, I was called Biz for my whole life, really, yeah, different variations of Biz, but yeah, yeah, solidly in Biz since college. Yeah, nice how they can find me. So for my therapy practice, as I said, I'm licensed in the United States, in Maryland and Delaware, and I can be found there at progressioncounselingcom.

Speaker 2: 35:43

And then I am also a life coach for highly sensitive women, and I just want to shout out to life coach for highly sensitive women, and I just want to shout out to any sensitive, highly sensitive women out there during this time that it's really important to take care of our sensitive nature and give ourself the time to reset and recharge with all that's going on. But you can find me at elizabethcushcoachingcom. That's where you will find my coaching website and offers. I've got a lot of free stuff there and I have my podcast there, so, yeah, Is there something that your heart wants to leave with the listeners?

Speaker 2: 36:24

Hmm, I guess it's just you know that we're in this together, that I don't want to minimize that, it's you know. I don't want to say you know it's going to be fine, because it might not be fine, but we are in this together and there is community to be found. And so, you know, reach out to the people that matter to you, but the people that can meet you where you are.

Speaker 1: 36:56

I want to thank you for honoring us with the most valuable gift that you could give anyone, which is your time. Time is a tool and it's not a toy, so I take it very deeply and gratefully when you know guests come on and share their experiences, share their modalities and share their time. So thank you so much for being here, for being so vulnerable, for being tender and gentle. For being tender and gentle, I know there's a lot of listeners that will feel the soothing and comfort of riding. You know the tsunami waves of what's going on globally for a lot of women and also the men supporting you know the women and everything else. So thank you so much for what you bring into the world Biz.

Speaker 2: 37:46

Oh, natalie, I so much appreciate your having me on the podcast and you know your energy was just what I needed on two days after the election, so thank you.

Speaker 1: 38:00

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